In a Course that's Provocative, Learning is Active

Katherine Watson

April 22, 2003, 2100 GMT

<bizarre> hello
< bizarre> who are you, and where vare you, physically, and what do you teach, where?
< kn> Hi Katherin!
< bizarre> hello!
< kn> This is Karl Naito from KCC, Honolulu HI.
< bizarre> you know who i am...hmmm
< bizarre> ah, hello!
< kn> I stopped by to see how you were doing.
< bizarre> a real hawaiiain
< kn> :-)
< bizarre> so, how are you doing?
< kn> Well, things are busy here. There are a lot of details that need to be covered.
< bizarre> not a heckuva lot of action here right now, but i was booted out a couple of times. i am using my 1994 computer at home
< bizarre> the connectivity is better this year. it is really clean and easy
< bizarre> joy was here earlier
< bizarre> she seems to be everywhere
< kn> Yes, not sure why. we did make some minor changes. but it is hard to tell what really made the difference.
< kn> too many variables.
< kn> Yes, joy is our discussion and chat person.
< bizarre> ah, the happiness of onlinery... heh heh
< bizarre> what would be the possibility of having chat sessions 24 hrs/day during this conference?
< bizarre> i wondered if, given the vast diffs of time zones, some of us might be able to sign up for more than one session that way and have perspectives from more than one hemishpere
< bizarre> hemisphere
+ jodi has arrived.
< kn> Technically it is possible. And your comment has some merit.
< kn> Hi Jodi!
< jodi> hello
< bizarre> hello jodi
< kn> katherin, i shall let the committee know about your suggestion.
< kn> Hi Jodi, where are you from?j
< jodi> Fairbanks Alaska
< bizarre> karl... yes, i find that in my own chat, which will be tonight, i have east coasters able to join at the bginning, west coasters in the nmiddle, and finally some europeans
< bizarre> jodi... what do you do up there?
< jodi> I teach for the College of Rural Alaska, mostly in the IT dept.
< bizarre> i understand that your area has some good amerindian language and culture programs?
< jodi> How 'bout the rest of you?
< jodi> We have mostly Alaska Native up here, but it is very active
< kn> I'm Karl Naito, Kapiolani Community College, Honolulu HI.
< bizarre> i teach french, english, and linguistics
< kn> I work out of the technology dept here as an instructional designer.
< bizarre> now at coastline and at orange coast colleges in southern california
< bizarre> between los angeles and san diego
< bizarre> jodi ... how many students at rural ak?
< jodi> Instructional design really interests me, especailly at a distance. Do you mind if I ask what your education background is? I am looking at Masters programs
< bizarre> jodi... and you say, "mostly" in IT.... does that mean that you have a combined load in varying depts?
< jodi> bizarre, I do some bussiness classes, as needed. Most of my load is based on community demand. And it is very hard to give #'s, as we cover all of Alaska, mostly at a Distance
< bizarre> jodi... my course was the first one online and is the only completely online one at coastline, but i have used our college's techno kings to do the nitty gritty tech work with my ideas, to execute them , that is...
< bizarre> jodi... ah, i would love to work with you! i think that this is the way to fly, at a distance.... as long as things are accessible
< bizarre> karl is the IT champion here
< bizarre> i have doctorates in linguistics and applied linguistics
< bizarre> and i have been teaching online since 1992
< jodi> I am always looking for moer advice, we have lots of distance, but are not alwyas using the newest technology. Connectivity is a huge issue here
< jodi> I teach hybrid courses and still use phone audio conversations.
< bizarre> jodi... yes, we have a which-common-denominator... question at coastline
< jodi> Plus as the IT type, I try to help support other faculty with ideas for implementing distance or Internet into classes
< bizarre> lots of students have bad access, share computers, have no access, etc
< jodi> We are constantly looking for the best practices that will bring student sucess to rural students with limited technolgy, and limited local student support
< bizarre> jodi... and we have instructors who fear onlinery...
+ vinnie has arrived.
< jodi> Do you partner with local school to proived class space for distance students?
< bizarre> some of them think that it has questionable utility and consequences
- vinnie just left.
< bizarre> some think that its academic worth is minimal...
< jodi> YES! lots of instructors either feaer technology, or just try to lecture to it... they need to think outside the classroom
< bizarre> and some do not wish to spend the immense amount of time necessary to make onlinery fly effectively
< jodi> excuse me, I need to leave to take a quick call, I will stay connected and return shortly
< bizarre> jodi... yes, we have a few exemplars in that regard...
< bizarre> some instructors who have sort of "talking head"-ified themselves so that their online courses are simply their lectures put up online
< bizarre> karl...
< bizarre> do you have many areas of study besides tech that ppl seem to think are online-able?
+ Bernie has arrived.
< bizarre> hello bernie
< kn> Hi Bernie!
< Bernie> Hi Bizarre--which I'm sure you aren't :)
< bizarre> where are you and what is your background?
< Bernie> hey Kn :)
< bizarre> lots of folkks think i am biiiizzzzaaaarrre
< bizarre> but that is ok
< Bernie> I'm in PA USA andI teach IT
< Bernie> how about that for acronyms
< Bernie> which is bizarre, too (*lol*)
< bizarre> i am in california, so calif., and i teach french online and otherwise
< Bernie> where is everyone?
< kn> I'm in HI USA and work with faculty in using technology.
< Bernie> at the keynote?
< Bernie> HI=Hawaii?
< bizarre> bernie... you are here... is that "everyone"?
< kn> yes :-)
< bizarre> i am in CA USA
< bizarre> SO CA...
< Bernie> lol
< Bernie> and jodi?
< bizarre> she is from AK
< Bernie> I attended Rena and Ketih's keynote this afternoon (my time) so thought I'd ch4eck out other venues
< bizarre> aiiiiie, as we say in french
< Bernie> forgive my random typing skills
< Bernie> AK--Arkansas?
< bizarre> bernie... do you find that not many non-technos try to teach, or want to teach, online?
< bizarre> bernie... Alaska
< bizarre> Fairbanks, to be precise
< Bernie> whoohoo--Alaska! My kind of place to check out
< Bernie> it's just a matter of time, Jodi
< bizarre> bernie... from PA to AK, wow!
< Bernie> I'll take the train, I think
< Bernie> or maybe a boat
< bizarre> that is one loooong trip
< Bernie> plane's are so dull and boring
< Bernie> you miss all the fun along the way
< bizarre> bernie... so, where in PA?
< Bernie> looks like we don't have a presentation here to engage in?
< bizarre> i am it
< bizarre> it is my paper. i teach french online
< Bernie> oh, sorry!
< bizarre> i find that using materials that are free and that are produced by native speakers are really useful
< Bernie> hence your handle--which is varry Frensch
< Bernie> I hasten to add that I taught French f2f for 15 years!!!
< bizarre> bernie... don't be sorry... just answer a few of my questions, if you will... the frech system is to ask questions of others
< bizarre> bernie 15 yrs!!
< Bernie> giggle
< bizarre> tiens alors!
< bizarre> where?
< Bernie> ok--says he in his best French :)
< Bernie> seriously, though...
< bizarre> and what caused you to cease doing that?
< Bernie> teaching French online presents a whole new challenge
< bizarre> d'accord...
< Bernie> and I'm delighted that I "stepped into" this discussion unawares
< bizarre> what i concentrate on is reading, writing, and cultural fluencvy improvement online
< bizarre> sans le savoir, hein?
< Bernie> answering one of your questions, I'm in SW PA
< Bernie> how's that for milking the acronyms :)
< bizarre> ah... and that is where you taught french?
< bizarre> where are you from originally?
< Bernie> exactement! sans le savoir
< Bernie> neanmoins, ici suis-je (*lol*)
< Bernie> et je suis content :)
+ flash has arrived.
< bizarre> karl... i believe that i have mentioned to you hawaiians that i met a person named kaole donaghy , who teaches hawaiian online in hawaii, at h cc
< bizarre> hello flsh...
< bizarre> is your last name gordon?
< flash> Hello
< Bernie> mais je ne suis pas toujours au courant avec la langue francaise, alors excuse-moi si je continue en anglais, OK?
< flash> No, but my first name is Gordon :-)
< bizarre> bernie, ca va
< bizarre> flash... excellent
< Bernie> now then...
< bizarre> flash... where are you joining us from?
< bizarre> i teach french online in california
< Bernie> hey Gordon!
< flash> I'm coming in from Nome, Alaska, about 100 miles east of Russia
< bizarre> where very few ppl, esp in this bush era, are speaking or studying french
< Bernie> B, should I check out your paper before delving into this discussion?
< bizarre> flash... jodi is here also from ak
< flash> Hey, Jodi from Fairbanks!
< bizarre> Bernie... stay with us... you may peruse the paper when you wish...
< Bernie> encore AK--which I thought was Arkansas!!
< Bernie> sorry about that (*blush*)
< jodi> Hey flash? from Nome Hun?
< bizarre> bernie... just goes to shiow you that you never know what you might learn online
< Bernie> ok, B
< bizarre> flash... jodi... you two know one another?
< bizarre> flash... what do you do, teach, etc up there?
< Bernie> B, it occurs to me now that teaching a language online actually offeres a huge potential for success
< Bernie> am I right?
< bizarre> bernie,... that has become an ongoing point de discussion in our french chats, in which we talk of evvvveeerrryyything
< flash> Yes, Jodi and I are colleagues. I teach developmental English and Computer applications
< bizarre> from care of dogs and cats to online access to pornography to politics to art exhibits to travel and food
< jodi> Yes, I know Flash. we are in a Statewide group as well
< Bernie> OK, B--I'm with you
< Bernie> pourquoi pas?
< bizarre> flash... devel english and computer apps... diff subject matters or together?
< jodi> Teaching anything online offers a huge potential for sucess, but weather or not we achive it is the issue
< Bernie> oh, you're so right, Jodi--I agree 100%
< bizarre> jodi... i am taking it up as a challenge to make ppl stop using "issue" so frequently...
< Bernie> we just have to figure out how best to do it
< flash> I teach them as different subjects, though I do have to teach English principles to my computer users and computer principles to my English students
< bizarre> the
< Bernie> I'm excited by the challenge
< Bernie> as, indeed are you and B and Flash
< bizarre> one of the principal problemes that i find is encouraging everyone tomparticipate
< Bernie> right, B
< Bernie> do you mind me abbreviating you to B?
< bizarre> the problem is that lots of ppl seem to think that , esp since i have no due dates or fixed assignment schedules, they can just sort of slide
< Bernie> oh my yes, that must be a huge problem in online teaching
< bizarre> bernie... no, i like feeling abbreviated...
< jodi> Flash brings up a good point, with online instruction everyone need s a set of skills to suceed, and people come to us from such diverse backgrounds and expieriences
< bizarre> bernie... yes... they seem quite often to lurk quietly out there
< Bernie> and it's also the nightmare--because I don't believe you can allow that to happen to the same extent as profs do face-to-face
< bizarre> jodi... eactly
< jodi> Not to mention just basic student sucess skilss like notetaking and time management
< bizarre> and having sommunication is absolutely necessary
< bizarre> what i have found is a few interesting ironies though, which i talk of in my papers
< Bernie> I MUST read your paper, B--and I will, I promise
< bizarre> jodi... organizational skill, willingness to devote the time
< Bernie> I feel bad being here without having done so
< jodi> Like the machines keeping us seperate while ofering such powerful tools for communication?
< jodi> bizaare, does your school offer any distance orientations, or sucess skills courses?
< bizarre> for instance... although onlinety may seem to be an isolating experience, it attaches my students much more closely to frenbch culture andb points of view than does f2f classery
< Bernie> yes, it's truly ironic, Jodi--quite right--the tools make it so easy to be in touch, yet we're actually so far apart
< Bernie> like us right now
< bizarre> jodi... yes, there is even a sort of online tutorial
< bizarre> but it is online!
< Bernie> AK, HI, PA......
< Bernie> amazing
< bizarre> i have had orientation sessions at our computer lab
< jodi> We are still dealing with finding a great way to do something for those first time students
< flash> I think Bizzare makes a good point. A lot of people talk about what is lacking in distance delivery, which is the f2f contact
< Bernie> you have to help students do this
< bizarre> but the college has un-scheduled them of late...
< flash> What isn't talked about much is the enhancements that are possible without the distractions of f2f
< Bernie> brb, guys--dogs are bugging me....
< jodi> None of my students live where I do, all are in rural alaska. So I have to do it all from a distance
< bizarre> two princ problems ... don't want to pay me
< bizarre> and don't want to sched the lab for frenchoes
< flash> I think that students can gain as much a sense of class identity in a distance delivered environment as in a f2f, if the instructor works to develop it
< bizarre> flash... exactly... generally, the students become even more immersed online in their fr stuff, which has fr interface and is entirely in fr ansd is done by fr natives, than they would do in class
< jodi> I agree, and part of that developement is making them comfortable with the class tools so that they can go beyond them and take part in the class
< bizarre> jodi... yes, the tools part has to be as simple, as transparent, as poss
< jodi> I also think students who have a sucess behind them contiue to be sucessful in distance classes
< bizarre> jodi... yes...
< flash> I also find that they can develop a sense of camaraderie with their classmates, even if they only interact via audio or a discussion board
< bizarre> also, i have students who know how to learn
< bizarre> most of the best ones are older adults
< jodi> Its like they learn a new way to learn, then they can take really enjoy all the advantages of distance ed
< Bernie> back....
< Bernie> read what you all wrote
< flash> Adults have the experience and perspective to know what they want to get out of an educational experience
< Bernie> fascinating--I can identify
< flash> many younger students lack that
< bizarre> bernie... quick read
< Bernie> there's no doubt that online can work--no matter what you're teaching
< bizarre> flash... and the are motivated
< bizarre> they know what they want to know
< bizarre> they have learned lots of other things
< Bernie> it's harder for the students at first, right?
< Bernie> till they get used to it?
< bizarre> bernie... very
< jodi> Anything can be hard at first, even a F2F class
< bizarre> esp the reallyb old guys
< Bernie> and I believe it's more or less ALWAYS harder for the teacher?
< Bernie> for now at least?
< flash> I have found that in an audioconference class, it takes just a little time, less than two weeks, for the students to become comfortable interacting
< Bernie> hey, B--I'm an OLD guy!!!!
< Bernie> watch it (*lol*)
< bizarre> jodi... yes, at our college, the adults have to sit in kids' chairs in ex-high school or elem school rooms
< bizarre> berine... oh??
< Bernie> oh my, Jodi....
< flash> in my web based classes, it takes a little longer when they are new to the environment, but once they catch on, they progress very rapidly
< bizarre> onlinery is ageless... how old?
< Bernie> what a question in a conference discussion--can you imagine asking that in a f2f conference (*rotfl)?
< jodi> We partener with school, sometimes it is the only reliable affordable internet option
< bizarre> flash... do you have problems w. students being able or not to do the work because of accessibnility or inaccessibility?
< bizarre> bernie... that is another really interesting feature of onlinery
< flash> No, I don't have that problem because students that don't have access generally don't sign up for the classes
< Bernie> lol ok, ok, 59 going on 60!
< bizarre> students and faculty find out much more about one another in online courses than they do in f2f ones
< Bernie> but back to the discussion here......
< bizarre> another irony, since they do not see one another
< flash> we are slowly getting more advanced options out to rural Alaska
< Bernie> I thinbk it's just a matter of time before online learning percolates across the disciplines at the college level
< bizarre> this is quite french, since knoqwing one's ideas and stancews, etc is more imp to the fr person than is the physical side of the [person
< Bernie> it's already seeping into high school
< jodi> There has been a lot written about how 'faceless' classes reduce fears of prejudice and favoritism based on age or looks
< Bernie> oui, B, vraiement, je pige.... :)
< bizarre> bernie... it has seeped all through fr elem and huigh schools... the govts sponsored free access to all elem and hs students starting in 1997
< Bernie> oh yes, Jodi--the potebntial of Distance Learning, if you want to call it that, is enormous
< bizarre> jodi... or sex
< Bernie> and how about folks with learning and other disabilities
< jodi> or anything, it can bea great leveler
< bizarre> bernie... thenm why... is it that most humanities courses die online?
< Bernie> well, yes, sex discrimination, too
< Bernie> especially in math, science, engineering, etc
< jodi> IMHO, it is becaus electure based courses suffer the most in transition to distance
< Bernie> I didn't know that B
< bizarre> bernie... the disabilities q has become suddenly a block in calif...or an excuse
< Bernie> oh, I know so little about what's going on out there
< Bernie> tell me more, B
< Bernie> about the situation in CA
< bizarre> that is, the ITists seem to think that rendering materials accessible to the handicapped is stupid, unnecessary, impossible, or something
< Bernie> are you kidding me?
< Bernie> I can't believe that!
< Bernie> just doesn't make any sense to me at all
< bizarre> jodi... the suffering to transition to distance...
< jodi> Many ITist would argue the oppisite, and the WWW has been constanly pushing for accessibilty
< Bernie> yes, yes, Jodi--and I know you feel the same way B
< bizarre> is due to those instructors' assumptions that onlinery is simply lecture placed "
< bizarre> up" online
< Bernie> what he heck's going on in CA?
< bizarre> bernie... as terry obanion said at a recent league for innovation conf...
< Bernie> yes........?
< bizarre> we are on the offramp to the apocalypse
< Bernie> whoa!
< jodi> Well traditional 'large lecture' course do not always have hands on or interactive components. Straight lecture, or the talking head sysdrome.
< bizarre> here in so cal, we've hit the base of that offramp
< Bernie> yes, Jodi--I hear you
< bizarre> and all there is before us is a polluted pacific
< flash> Thanks, All! I've got to run
- flash just left.
< jodi> bye
< Bernie> in fact, these days, when I lecture (once a week) I actually feel almost guilty--seriously
< bizarre> jodi... ok... everything that vgoes around comes around...
< bizarre> we were saying earlier...
< jodi> yes
< Bernie> I think to myself; "Self, there has to be a better way to get information across than this."
< bizarre> and i was noting... that lots lecture instructors seem to have put their talking heads up online
< bizarre> or to have put their lectures up online
< jodi> i agree
< bizarre> even their chat sessions and bulletin boards concern primarily when things are due
< bizarre> when tests are, etc
< bizarre> we talk about other stuff..
< Bernie> well, to my credit, I have to say that that concept never occurred to me--to put my lectures up online, as such
< Bernie> though perhaps I've done that in a sense
< bizarre> i have no lectrures to put up
< bizarre> we are a current events and topics course
< Bernie> I've self-published my textbooks online and made then available to my students that way
< bizarre> so, the subject matter by necessity must change
+ dunite has arrived.
< bizarre> i want everything everything everything online
< jodi> It seems that people without lectures are often forced to be moer creative in what they actually post and organizer online, that can lead to interesting ways of using the distance technology
< bizarre> dunite... hello
- dunite just left.
< bizarre> where are you coming to us from?
< bizarre> hop-la
< bizarre> jodi... and that is why one must spend loads more time
< jodi> hop-la? am I missing something?
< Bernie> yes, yes, yes, B--lots, lots more time
< jodi> YES, a lot more time!
< Bernie> I've actually had to give up golf so I can maintain my online presence!
< bizarre> last nigfht, if you want to call midnight to 2am night, i was trying to find a good easily accessible francophone Earth Day site before today actually happened
< Bernie> hear you, B--that's the way it is
< bizarre> it is Earth Day today, and there are international events that i wanted the students to see from a french perspective
< Bernie> are we crazy, or what?
< jodi> I hope as tools develope they will make more instructor friendly ones, so we can get back to golf and dogs (I am a dog musher)
< Bernie> will I see you on TV mushing your dogs, Jodi?
< bizarre> jodi... do you have malamutes?
< bizarre> bernie... we will see jodi on;line... web cam and all that
< jodi> Alaska sled dog, not malamute, and not on TV, but on the web.
< Bernie> when? webcam, etc.?
< jodi> I keep a web site and share it with my students, I think it make them see me as a real human not the force behind the keyboard
< bizarre> bernie... so, how old are you, anyway???
< Bernie> I'll tune in.....
< jodi> www.dewclawkennel.com
< Bernie> I told you--but you must not have been listening!
< bizarre> jodi... i don't want students to be grossed out by seeing me
< Bernie> thanks, Jodi
< bizarre> i remain the bizarre visage behind the mask
< Bernie> if you scroll up apace you discover the awful truth (*lol*)
< jodi> Can't be that bad bizarre :-)
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< jodi> What do you like to do to make a personal contact with your students
< bizarre> wow tht was enough to scare bernie away!
< bizarre> jodi... we talk about everything
< jodi> do you have a vitual office hours chat, or just durring class
+ Bernie has arrived.
< bizarre> i give them insights into my own interests and we talk of eo's interests
< Bernie> OK, I just discovered that if you click on a URL in the chat it disconnects you from the chat!
< bizarre> jodi... we have 24-hr open chat room... i am there for sure at least 8hrs/week, and often elsewhen...
< Bernie> in your chat sessions with your students, I take it you speak French?
< jodi> I am trying some new virtaul office hours, with phone in or online using Horizon Live software
< bizarre> bernie... that does npot happen in my chat... we use a cheap java applet, free cuz i kind of stole it...
< Bernie> I won't tell.....
< bizarre> jodi... i have genuine off hrs too at coastline and telephone line
< bizarre> go to http://dl.ccc.cccd.edu/classes/internet/french198
< bizarre> then cliquer "babillard"
< bizarre> that is our chat we will be there tonight after 7h30 until about midnight pacific
< bizarre> often i am there until 1 or so
< bizarre> jodi... so... how many languages do you ppl offer up there?
< bizarre> is it mostly english that u do online?
< bizarre> karl... do you know kaole donaghy? or did you answer that question?
< Bernie> I have to tell you guys that teaching foreign languages online is brilliant!
< jodi> I am all engligh, although I have some native language speakers in my classes
< Bernie> now I come to think of it
< bizarre> jodi... so... how would you like a verycool french course?
< Bernie> just never even crossed my mind
< jodi> UA offers the normal Spanish, french, germal, russian and some Alaska Native languages as well. Mostly taugh by leders
< Bernie> checked out your materials at the addie you just gave us, B--well done!
< jodi> learn french, in my free time?
< bizarre> jodi... mostly taught by whom?
< bizarre> jodi... may i put my course amonhg ak's offerings?
< jodi> FUll time language profs teach the regualr college course. For the Native languauge they have native elders
< bizarre> i fear that our college is going to dump us
< bizarre> jodi... that is cool. do the native elders show up on campus?
< jodi> Check out the Center for Distance Ed, www.distance.uaf.edu, they might want to offer the French ciourses
< bizarre> jodi... we have found that lots of full-timers do not want to spend the extra time on onlinery
< Bernie> what's amazing to me is that we all could become colleagues without even leaving our homes!
< jodi> Elders teach at the campus, or in rural areas at one of the rural campuses or campus centers, we also have summer academies, and they might be offered in smaller communities. I am afraid I do not know too mich about those programs
< Bernie> let me address B's point there
< Bernie> at my school we have 133 profs
< bizarre> bernie... precisement
< jodi> Some school are looking at pay insentives for faculty who become proficent and offer courses onlien (I have read) of course mine is not one of them
< Bernie> we've had the opportunity to teach onlinbe for about 5 years
< bizarre> i have europeans and even aussies join us in our chat
< bizarre> and if you look at the tableau d'affichage area of our course site...
< Bernie> to-date, no more than about 25% even use Blackboard at all, let alone make it an integral part of their courses
< bizarre> you will see entries there from everywhere
< Bernie> I'm one of the very few that does so
< Bernie> partly because I'm a glutton for punishment
< bizarre> bernie... i tried using bb
< bizarre> they would not permit frenchification of theuir interface
< bizarre> that is important to me
< Bernie> partly because I love the advantages it offers, regardless of the extra time involved in doibng it
< bizarre> the moment any english appears, any english-based formattingf appears...
< bizarre> the ss's eyes wander that way...
< bizarre> and the fr atmopsphere is lost
< bizarre> bernie... bb finally just junked my materials
< Bernie> quite right again, Jodi--some schools are offering pay incentives to faculty to encourage them to go online
< bizarre> i had been using their free stuff
< bizarre> our college will not spend $ to bb or to Web CT
+ Dr. has arrived.
< bizarre> Dr ??
< Bernie> well, it's big business, B
< Dr.> Hi everyone, just checking out the Chat Rooms.
< bizarre> I had an uncle whom we called "Doktor"
< jodi> There are some free alternatives to BB create a portal at Yahoo or somewhere else for free giving students the password to it
< bizarre> dr... where are you, physically, and what do you do in life?
< Dr.> Actually I tried the nickname Dr. Sue, but only Dr. shows up -- oh well./
< jodi> Or create a web page and post it for free, with geocities or a similar service, then you could use French
< bizarre> this is the end, sort of, of my session
< Dr.> Physically, I am at home, where are you?
< bizarre> i teach french language and culture online
< bizarre> dr... where is your home?
< bizarre> jodi... te ads are still in fr
< jodi> Many portal sites have international versions with the language tools built in
+ Chris has arrived.
< bizarre> i have done that with Lycos
< Dr.> I teach adult learning, curriculum development, administration and supervision, critical issues, etc., online from my home in Maine.
< bizarre> you will see that in the "francozone" area of my course
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< jodi> Yes, ads, but they have to make money somehow. And if you shop around some sites are much better then othrs
< bizarre> i want everything in french
< bizarre> i havwe created some materials with Classe Branchee, from CVanada
< bizarre> and from Voila, France Telecom's free service
+ gonzie has arrived.
< Dr.> Although I come from French heritage, I do not speak the language.
< bizarre> Dr... want to include a french course among your offerings?
< bizarre> I am looking for a new home for my course
< jodi> try http://fr.yahoo.com/ everything is french, and I can't read a word :-)
< Dr.> I probably would not recognize what I was teaching!
< bizarre> we have been around since 1992
< jodi> But you could log on create a page and start from there
+ lights has arrived.
< Bernie> to think I taught French for 15 years without the slightest opportunity for contact with a French-speaking populace other than actually going there!
< bizarre> jodi... i use that as one of my many links
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< Bernie> today the opportunities are endless--I'm glad I stumbled into this discussion, B
< jodi> Students could create there own cultural links library there
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< bizarre> jodi... but if you go to my course site, you will see that i want to have my own questions to serve as academic structure, with the links as resources
< Bernie> yes, I see that B
< bizarre> jodi... they are doing that with lycos too
< jodi> DO you make web sites? (I am sorry I have not gone to yours yet from that earlier link)
< bizarre> jodi
< bizarre> i have created everything that is at my site
< Bernie> I love how you've set up an environment to encourage discussion
< Bernie> to encourage the natural use of language
< bizarre> http://dl.ccc.cccd.edu/classes/internet/french198
< bizarre> and the classe branchee stuff is at
< bizarre> http://www.classebranchee
< Bernie> anyone who took advantage would be able to immerse themselves in the language
< bizarre> with course id # 100450
< Bernie> and the language in so many ways is the culture
< bizarre> and password french198
< bizarre> bernie... you've got it!
< Bernie> sigh--I know.... I just realized that... wow!!!
< jodi> Nice page design, clean fast loading. I will look more after the chat
< bizarre> i guess the doc has left us...
< bizarre> jodi... yes, i like to keep it clean...
< jodi> ANd it looks like you incorporate some of the schools resources, like the agreement letter. Is that mandated for all distance classes
< bizarre> jodi... that is the french system, too, btw
< Bernie> not to worry--it's in the nature of the beast--online conferencing, especially later in the day
< bizarre> jodi... yes, the lettre d'entente, whose title i had to translate, is part of the school's reqs
< bizarre> jodi... i translated the bulletin board stuff... hence tableau d'affichage
< bizarre> that was not a simple task since the materials were in cgi script...
< jodi> You can really see how an online enviornemt can aid emersion.
< bizarre> jodi... immersion!
< bizarre> emerge= come oput...
< bizarre> immerse= go in...
< jodi> sorry spelling and typing are my weak points it makes me a horrible 'chatter'
< bizarre> jodi... exactly... i think tha one becomes easily immersed online
< bizarre> ss's say they "get stuck" in some of the materials
< bizarre> jodi... jst wanted to be sure you know the diff...
< jodi> thanks
< bizarre> there is a kind of joke in French in Action about
< bizarre> immerger" and "emerger"
< bizarre> for pronunciation and etymological reasons both
< Bernie> Jodi, you don't have to worry about your spelling etc. with us
< bizarre> to say the least!!!
< jodi> :-)
< bizarre> i find that my fingers attach to keys ...
< Bernie> and I know you agree B
+ yvette has arrived.
< bizarre> yvette!
< bizarre> Un prenom francais!
< yvette> Hello, I am sorry I am late!
< bizarre> Yvette... where are you coming to us from?
< yvette> I am in Ithaca, New York, originally from New Orleans, hence the name
< jodi> well all. My next meeting is right around the corner. Thank you all for the interesting chat.
< bizarre> we have been talking of my strains and stresses of teaching french language and culture online... fortunately, i have had some excellent techno communicators to talk with...
< bizarre> jodi... please do send me an email message?
< yvette> Well, i couldn't be of any help there. I will try another forum. Thanks for the welcome!
< bizarre> bizarrissime@juno.com
< jodi> ffjdb@uaf.edu
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+ yvette has arrived.
- yvette just left.
< bizarre> yvette... what do you do in life?
< Bernie> bye Jodi--thanks for the chat
< bizarre> hop-la...
< bizarre> jodi... yes, thank you a lot!
< jodi> bye y'all BTW what is hop-la????
< bizarre> pls thank flash for me?
< bizarre> jodi... "ooops", in french
< Bernie> lol
< jodi> lol, bye
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